KINGDOM OF LESOTHO
ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
Daily Hansard (Official Report)
FIRST SESSION
THIRD MEETING
Friday, 13th October, 2023
(Unrevised)
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CHAMBER
Friday, 13th October, 2023
[The House assembled at 9:00 a.m.]
[RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER in the Chair]
PRAYER
[The Chaplain Led the House in Prayer]
COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR
Litho tse Khabane, ha ke mpe ke nke sebaka sena ho boela ke le amohela ka Ntlong ena ea lona. Ke tšepo ea ka e tiileng hore le bile ka hare ho mesebetsi ea lona eo le e etsang libakeng tsa lona ka ho fapana. Ke tšepile hore le ile la tseba ho phomola le hona ho koala mesebetsi e meng eo joale ha le le mona le hloloang ho e koala. Ke tšepile hape le hore le ile la etsa mesebetsi ea lona ea tlatsetso le thusetso hore Setsi se Ikemetseng sa Likhetho hore se atlehe mosebetsing oa sona ea likhetho tsena tse sa tsoa feta tsa puso ea libaka.
Ke tsepile hape le hona hore le ile la keteka hantle Letsatsi la Boipuso ba naha ea bo rona. Ruri kea le amohela, Litho tse Khabane.
Ke tšepa hore le khutla le le mafolo-folo, re tlo tla re boetse re etsa mohoma temeng ho ea kamoo sechaba sa habo rona se re tsepileng ka teng. Ke na le liphatlalatso le mangolo le lipii tseo ke neng ke batla hore ke hle ke nke monyetla ona hore ke lefe tsona ke sa le sethathong.
Le tla hopola, Litho tse Khabane, hore Monghali Kananelo Boloetse o ile a hlahlela boipiletso ha a ne a ile a hloloa ke nyeoe eo ho eona a neng a qholotsa ho khutlisoa, Reinstatement of 11th Amendment the Constitution Bill, 2022 ho ipapisitsoe le Standing Order No: 105 (B).
Le tla hopola hape, Bahlomphehi, hore ka la 28th Phato monongoaha ka Khotla ka mona tlas`a Molao ea lona ea Tsamaiso oa No. 43 (2). Ke ile ka etsa qeto ea hore re fe makhotla a molao sebaka sa hore a sebetsenyeoe ena ea boipiletso ea
Hansard: Friday, 13th October, 2023
Mohlomphehi Boloetse etla lula ka la 24 Khoeling e holimo ‘me tataiso ea lekhotla la Maipiletso [Court of Appeal] e bontsitse hore kahlolo e tla oa ka la 17th Pulungoana, 2023.
Le tla hopola hape hore ke ile ka tsebisa Ntlo ena e Khabane hona ka la 28th Phato hore re ile ra fumana tokomane eo ea lekhotla( Court Notice), eo ho eona ho neng ho qosoa Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano le ba bang ke Litho tse peli tsa Ntlo ena e leng Bahlomphehi Nkaku Kabi le Tefo Mapesela.Har`a litaba tseling ba neng ba qholotsa Phutheho e Khethehileng ea Ntlo (Special Meeting). Ka ho t`soana ke ile ka hlalosa hore re tla ikobela molao oa rona oa tsamaiso 43(2) e le ho fa Makhotla sebaka sa ho sebetsa nyeoe ena.
Limpapiri tsa ngangisano li ka pele ho Lekhotla le Phahameng la Molao oa Motheo (Constitutional Court). Ke eona e tla re fa letsatsi la nyeo eo ea Bahlomphehi bana bao e leng Mohlomphehi Kabi le Mohlomphehi Mapesela. Ka bokhutsoane, Litho tse Khabane, Ntlo ena e ke ke ea tšohla litaba tse amanang le 11th Amendment to the Constitution Bill, 2022. Hape e ke ke ea tšohla boemo ba Standing Order No: 105 (b) ho fihlela ha Makhotla a Molao a lietse likahlolo linyeoeng tsena.
Ke na le mangolo mona ao ke ileng ka ikeletsa hore kea hlophe ho latela matsatsi ao a ngotsoeng ka oona. Mangolo ana a mararo, la pele ke le tsoang ho Revolution for Prosperity (RFP) Caucus. Mangolo anaboraro ba oona a ngotsoe ka la 15th Phato, 2023. Ho ngoletsoe Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano’me lona le baleha tjena:
Le hlahlamang ke khetho ea Whip e ncha ea Caucus ea RFP ebile e le Chief Whip ea Paramente. Le baleha jooana:
Laboraro ke khetho ea Motlatsi oa Whip e ncha ea Caucus ea RFP. Lona le baleha tjena:
Ke bala lengolo le leng hape le hlahang ho Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Nutrition. Ke le bala tjena empa le fetiloe ke nako. Ho na le leng le keneng hamorao ho leka ho otlolla litaba.
Empa ho na le lokisang lena leo ke qetang ho le bala ’me lona le baleha jooana:
Ha ke feta tsena ke bala lipii tsa mafu tseo le tsona ke lekileng ho li hlopha ka matsatsi ao li ngotsoeng ka oona ka mokhoa oa tatellano:
Tlaleho e ’ngoe e baleha jooana:
Tlaleho ea ho qetela e baleha jooana:
Litho tse Khabane, ke phetho ea mangolo a ngotsoeng empa joale linakong tsena tseo re phelang ho tsona ho se ho hlile ho e na le litsela tseo ruri li hlakileng hantle hore re ka tseba lintho le haeba re sa ngolloa mangolo. Ke lumela hore boholo ba rona re se re utloile ka lefu la sekhahla la Mohlomphehi Fako Moshoeshoe. Le ha ‘nete re sa ngolloa lengolo, empa ha re kopana letsatsing lena la rona la pele ke bone e ke ke eaba hantle hore taba eo re e fete feela empa e se ntse e hlakile hantle hore ke ntho e etsahetseng.
Ho tla etsoa litlhopho tsa hore joaloka ka mehla re tle re fuoe sebaka re le Maparamente re le bo mphato ba bafu bana re tle re fane le ho fa malapa le sechaba matšeliso a lokelehang. Hlompho e tla etsoa. Empa ha ke bolele hore mafung ana kaofela ha hona a mararo. Ke ile ka atleha ho ba teng le ho fana ka matšeliso lebitsong la lona.
Empa joalokaha ke supa nako e tla ba teng ea hore le lona le tle le fane ka matšeliso ka tsela e lokelang. Ka lebaka lena, kea le kopa ka tlhompho e kholo Litho tse Khabane hore re ke re eme re inamise lihlooho re hlomphehe bafu bana ba rona.
[The House rose to observe a moment of silence in Honour of the Late Hon. H. Lehana. Hon. M. Soulo, Hon. T. P. Lesela and Hon. F. Moshoeshoe].
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: May their souls and the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Amen!
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Next item, Mr. Clerk! Point of Order, Mohlomphehi Mofomobe.
HON. M. G. MOFOMOBE (PR): Ntate Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore pejana re tla khefutsa nakoana e fetileng mona, ho ne ho ile ha etsahala ntho e makatsang tjena eo ka ’nete ke sa reng le hore ho na le letho leo u tla le etsa, ke mpa ke lakatsa feela hore taba ena e mpe e tle e hlahe ho Hansard for future reference hobane eona e tla ba le reference ka nako e tlang.
Ho na le molao mona o re sireletsang re le Maparamente (Parliamentary Powers and Privileges) oo ke ileng ka bona o hatikeloa ke masole ka tlaase ka mona, likhorong tse tlang Paramenteng mona khahlanong le molao ono. Ha ke hlile ha ke re u etse letho, ke mpa ke re u e etse note hobane re se re ile ra bona ha bana ba batho ba ea ka toronkong bapolotiki ba sala ka ntle.
Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke re u re sireletse hore masole a se ke a re hlekefetsa ha re tla mona le ona mapolesa ha re tla leha re khutla molao ono oa hana. Empa haeba ke policy ea ’Muso ona o teng le Letona la tšireletso eleng Tona-Kholo, let it be feela etlare ha re hopotsa batho e tla ka batho re bahetene. Ke ne ke re taba ee, li pele li na le baji, matla ke ntho e felang, ’me batho ha ba sa lumele ba tla iponela. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi [Liatla].
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ha e le khubu ea taba ea hao e hlakile empa e le hore ke ne ke se ke bona eka ho na le moo u etsang botlaila hobane ekare u qalile o re ha u re ke etse letho empa u qetella u se u re ke le sireletse. Joale u qetella u se bone hore haeba ke policy ea Tona-Kholo is fine, athe u ne u itse Maparamente ha a sireletsoe, ha ho se ke ha ba le mabaka a hore Maparamente a hlekefetsoe. Eleng hore taba ena haeba e fosahetse, ehlile e fosahetse. Ho ke ke ha etsoa policy e seng hantle empa ke itse khubu ea taba ea hao eona e hlakile hantle, Mohlomphehi oa ka.
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane, Mohlomphehi Mapesela.
HON. T. F. MAPESELA (PR): Mohlomphehi, ke batla hore taba ea tšebetso le matla a Likomiti tsa Ntlo ena e Khabane a tle a ke a hlakele Ntlo hantle hore na hantle a qala kae a fella kae. Ke bua tjena hobane re le Komiti ea Natural Resources re ile ra bitsa Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane, Mohlomphehi Moleko ka litaba tsa hae le batho ba bitsoang Metsi ke Bophelo le Mohlomphehi Mashudu, le Mohlomphehi Moloi. Komiti e ile ea mo eletsa in the presence of Attorney General kamor’a ho hlokomela hore tumellano eno ea hae Letona le Mohlomphehi Mashudu e ka thoko ho molao. Attorney General a be a bontša hore it is fraudulenttaba eno ea ho hlophela mooka ono oa metsi, le ha e ne e le ntle hakaalo eka e tšoaretse Basotho lintho tse hantle empa methati e latetsoeng hore ebe ho tekenetsoe tumellano e joalo e ka thoko ho molao.
Ke bolela tjena hore, Mohlomphehi Letona o tekenetse tumellano le Metsi le
Bophelo ka li-25 August, company e bitsoang Metsi ke Bophelo ea tla tšoaloa ka li8 September. E le hore o tekenetse memorandum of understanding le non-existing entity. Attorney General o mo khalemetse feela re bone a itsoelletse pele. O itsoella pele feela ka kopano eno ea hae. Maoba ke ile ka khathala matla ha ke bona memo e tsoang ofising…
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, ha ke bile ha ke u thibe feela joale lerata le ne le se le le holimo hoo ke seng ke sa utloe hantle hore na hantle u ntse u reng. Heckling is fine empa joale mantsoe a se a le ka holimo ho sebui se ntseng se bua, ehlile e molemong oa ka hore ke hle ke utloe hore na Setho se Khabane se reng.
HON. MEMBER: E, ea Mashudu [Liatla]?
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ua tseba le hore na u fuoe sebaka ke mang hore u bue ha ke hlile ha ke tsebe [Litšeho]. Le hore na ke mang ea u fileng sebaka sa bua ha ke tsebe. Tsoelapele, Setho se Khabane, u leke ho thetha.
HON. T. F. MAPESELA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano. Ke re ke thethe ka hore ke ile ka khathala matla ha ke bona memo e tsoang ho Ntlo ena e Khabane ka Ofisi ea Clerk hore Litho tsena tse Khabane li memeloa ’mokeng ono oa li-12 le li-13 oa Metsi ke Bophelo oo ho se ho ntse ho hlakisitsoe ke Akhente e Kholo ea ’Muso le Komiti hore taba eo ke tlolo ea molao. Ke ka hona ke neng ke re ka ’nete ha re tsebe hore na matla a likomiti tsena a fella kae, ha a felle kae hobane haeba Matona a Khabane a Motlotlehi ha a eletsoa ka litlolo tsa molao tseo ba li etsang Makaleng a bona ba itsoella pele feela, ha re sa tseba hore na joale mosebetsi oa Likomiti ke ofe. Ke hore li hle li mpe li tloheloe, u chulo Mohlomphehi Letona kapela Komiti a re lona le itšenyetsa nako feela re qetile khale, a re joetsa mahlong re le Komiti hore ka mono ka moo re lutseng kateng ka moo re senya nako feela. O qetile khale o tsoela pele le Mashudu eena. Kannete, Mohlomphehi, aku re sireletse, kea leboha.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Che, joalokaha u ntse u bolela Setho se Khabane, ekare le uena u ntse u lumela hore ehlile ha ho moo Paramente ka boeona e hatileng ka lebatha feela joale taba e teng eo ke utloang u e bua eo ke lokelang hore nke ke eo e hlahloba eona hore na ho ile ha etsahala eng pakeng tsa Komiti ea Paramente phuthehong eno eo ekang Mohlomphehi Letona o ne a le teng ho bile ho le teng le Ramolao e Moholo oa ’Muso. Ke utloa eona e le taba e lokelang hore e ka saloa morao, ea tsitsisoa hantle feela taba e kholo ke hore re li arole e tle e se ka ka hoja Paramente e entse tlhophiso ea ’moka, etsoe we …. observe the principle of separation of powers.
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane sa Makhaleng.
HON. M. S. LEHATA (Makhaleng): Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker. Ke batla for the record re le Ntlo re fumane tlhakisetso ea Tsamaiso ea Ntlo based on Standing Order No. 14, Meetings. We had winter break per the calendar which has been adopted by the House, eleng eo e tsamaisang hore Ntlo e tla koala ka nako e itseng e bule ka nako e itseng e leng the administrative calendar ebile ho tsebahala hore e thusa hape hore Paramente e ka bula kamor’a nako eno haeba ho na le tlhokahalo e joalo. Hape Paramente e koaloa ka mefuta e mebeli ea li-Motion, Motion of Sine die or Motion o behang matsatsi hore re koala letsatsing lena re tla bula letsatsing le itseng.
Lebaka la matsatsi ha a ba 60 as a resolution of the House aa tlama ha ho na motho ea ka holimo ho matsatsi ano a behiloeng. Leha ho tla hlaha an emergency, Speaker ha a na matla a hore a ka ba ka holimo ho qeto eno eo e seng e entsoe ke Ntlo. Ka hona Sine die e etsetsoa hore ha ho ka hlaha ntho lipakeng, calendar eane e se ke ea ba fixed. Eleng hore lipakeng mona ha ho ka hlaha ntho, ebe Speaker o ba le matla in consultation with the Leader of the House or the Government hore a ka bitsa Paramente. This is why you were even able to call us ka a special meeting re ntse re le under Sine die.
I am surprised hore joale u re bitsitse tsatsing lena, but calendar ea winter break eona e se e fetiloe ke nako e ntse e le the resolution of the House. E le hore re koaletse mariha, nako ea hore re bule ea fihla per the calendar, eaba joale ’Muso hobane Standing Order N0. 14 e ntse e re u tla re bitsa with the consultation with the Government e le hore uena hoa hao u molomo oa ’Muso ho rona. Ke maketse hore ’Muso ha oa u eletsa per the calendar hore ebe kamor’a the winter break ha calendar matsatsi a eona a fihla ebe re tlile Paramenteng, ebe re boetse re koalla Independence per the calendar, ebe rea khutla per the calendar. Ke ne ke re u ke u re otlollele mona hore na hantle ’Muso joalokaha u le phala ea ona ho rona ho re bitsa per the Standing Order, o ne o robetse kapa o ne o koatile kapa o ne o tella li-resolution tsa Paramente ee, o sa re natse ka letho hore ebe o ile oa u eletsa na? kea leboha.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, u ile oa bua feela ka Standing Order No. 14 eleng ntho eo re e hlomphang haholo. Joale ke kopa ka bopikokobetso hore u ke u bale taba ena eo u buang ka eona, e le hore re tle re qoqe eona. Ke ne ke utloa eka ha u bue maikutlo a hao, u bua taba e buang ke Standing Order.
HON. M.S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker. Standing Order No. 14 ke ne ke bua feela ka sona ka hore se bolela hore na u re bitsa joang. Ke bua ka boemo ba adjournment Sine die hore na e emetse eng as Motion oa adjournment, ke bua le ka the calendar eo ke tlang ho eona ka hore Ntlo ena e ile ea etsa qeto ea hore e tla koalloa mariha, Boipuso, Keresemese le tse ling. Nkile ka bua ka taba eno ka mona, Honourable Mochoboroane kea hopola o na ba a etsa… ke Motion 32 o neng o etsoa ke Honourable Lehohla ha ho etsoa adopt, e ne le Leader of the House at that time, ha ho etsoa adopt the calendar ea hore na re bula neng re koala neng. Taba eno ha e-so’ka e etsoa amend, so it still stands, as it is.
First Meeting e ba February March, two weeks Easter break after the budget. Joale ebe re tla ho mariha, joale ea winter break ea bolela hore re bula the end of September, ho khutla mariheng. Ke kopa ho hlake hore na calendar ena eo ke buang ka eona na, ha ho etsahala joang hore ebe re feta the resolution of the House, re ba ka nqane ho eona. ‘Muso ke eona oo re o eletsang, joale ha ‘Muso re sa o eletse re tsebe, joale le uena ha u etsa liphatlalatso u re le ha ele mona re liehile ho bula ke hobane ho latela Standing Order No. 14, ‘Muso ha oa etsa consult hore ke le bitse, joale nke ke ka etsa letho. Re tsebe hore ke ‘Muso o neng o tefile kapa ba ne ba utloa feela ba sa batle Paramente.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ke ne ke kopile hore u bale Standing Order No. 14 (1) empa ha oa se bala, ere ‘na ke se bale.
“Meetings of the House during each Session shall be held on a such a day and commence at such hour as the Speaker may determine after consultation with the Government.”
Lintlha tse pele tse hlahlamang li se li mpa li matlafatsa taba eno. Ele hore ha ke hlile ha ke fumane ho hang taba ea hore na litaba tseo tse ling tse ileng tsa etsahala linakong tseo tsa khale na li hlile li hlakola this Standing Order, hape hape mona ho thoe “shall be determined by the Speaker, in consultation with the Government, not the other way round, ha u re, shall be determined by the Government in consultation with the Speaker. Eleng hore honestly ha ke mametse bohloko ba hau, makukuno a hau, nka batla feela ho u pikitla Setho se Khabane, ha ho bonahale ho ena le phoso e etsahetseng. Taba ena e se e le feela hore ke mpe ke u silile hore kea utloa ka ‘nete, u bule Paramenteng nako e telele, u ile ua bona ha ho ntse ho lateloa li-pattern tse itseng. Ke na le mohlala mona, ha re ntse re bua litaba tsena ke lakatsa lintho li neptjoe. Ke ile ka etsa lipatlitliso, ka fumana mohlala oa 10th Parliament eo ka nako e ‘ngoe e kileng ea bula on Friday 31st August 2018 to Monday 19th November 2018. Ea e ba teng hape from Friday 1st March 2019 to Monday 1st April 2019. Mehlala e meng e teng e supang hore ha hona some form of rigidity litaba tsa hore na Paramente e buloe neng, ho hlahlojoa boemo.
Ke ile ka hlahloba morero in the spirit of the stipulations of the Standing Order No. 14(1), ka sheba hore ho u oa likhethong tsa puso ea libaka, ka sheba hore ka morao ho moo ho uoa Boipusong. Ka re re ka ‘na ra e bitsa Paramente ea fihla ea nka matsatsi a mabeli, ra e koala, ea tla hape ra ea matsatsi a mane, ea ba rea e koala. On the balance of the comfort of the Honourable Members, ka bona ho le molemo hore ke se ke ka etsa Litho tse Khabane joalo, ka ba etsa joalo, tlohong, khutlang, tlohong. Ele hore this is an honest explanation ea hore, ntlheng ea pele ha hona molao o tlotsoeng, ha ho tsamaiso e tlotsoeng, empa ho lekiloe ka hohle hore ho baballeloe Litho tse Khabane tsela ea tsona ea tšebetso.
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane, ‘M’e Senauoane.
HON. M. SENAUOANE (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa
Lipuisano. Ke mpa ke re ke u hlokomelisa feela Speaker hore re elelloa hore maemo a Ntlo ena a ntse a theoha hobane joale ha ho bonahale u le teng, le ha u le teng ha re utloe lentsoe la hau la khalemo, bonyane le ka lentsoe feela “order.” Re ne re le teng ha Paremente ea leshome le motso o mong e qala, re rupeloa mona, hara tse ling mokhoa oa ho ja le ha re sa jelle kahara eona, hara tse ling mokhoa oa ho apara, haholo-holo mokhoa oa ho apara hoa bahlomphehi ba bo-ntate.
Ho ne ho bile hothoe re ba hlokomele ha ba lula fatše ba qhoalla makonopo a libaki tsa bona, ha ba ema ba li qhoaela. Tsela eo Mohlomphehi Letona la Lihloliloeng a apereng ka eona, e nts e tsoela pele ho theola boemo ba Ntlo ena. Ke kene mona ke ba shebile kaofela bo ntate ba li qhaolotse, ba phetlile li-tie rea li bona, eena Safari ena ea hae, o ntse a e qhoaetse, ke ile ka ba ka qetella ke nkile mahlo ana, ke shebisa hore na eena ha a qhaolla. Ha ho la joalo, Mohlomphehi Honourable Speaker, ka Ntlong ena ke bona eka motho e mong le e mong o se a etsa ntho eo a e ratang, u nts eu le teng, e ka re ha ba u bone. Ka boikokobetso ke eo, moshebe.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane ha e le taba ea tlhompho le tlhomphehi ke le Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ‘na ke le motho ke sa ntsane ke khotsofetse. Nakong eo ke sa khotsofalang ke ile ka bolela, nako eo ke bonang hore lintho li ea ka molekeng oa tšimo ke ile ka bolela, ‘me ka ‘nete batho ba khutla. Hona tjena ke bona e le Paramente eo ke e tsebang, moo Litho li buang maikutlo a tsona, ka nako e ‘ngoe ho sa thoe le hothoe ba bue. Tabeng ena ea moaparo ke lokela hore ke le bolelle hore ha hona ka moo motho a ka emang mona a bolela ntho e ‘ngoe le ‘ngoe hantle ka moo e lokelang e be ka teng, ho tla ‘ne ho be le ntho e ncha feela e se nang phoso ea letho, mohlomong ebile e le ntle ho feta tsane tseo re neng re li tseba. Joale eena Mohlomphehi Letona, uena moo u teng u atleha ho mo bona hantle. ‘Na mona moo ke moshebileng ke le hona teng, ruri ea ‘maruri ke bona a apere hantle [Liatla].
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Honourable Leader of Opposition.
HON. M. E. MOKHOTHU (Leader of Opposition and Qhoali): Kea leboha, Honourable Speaker. Ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona e ipapisitse haholoholo le Standing Order 110 moo Honourable Speaker nakong ea ho feta ho ileng ha eba le the Special Sitting of the House, joale e entsoe call ka the temporary Standing Order formed by the Speaker in terms Standing Order 110. Lebaka le leholo le neng le fanoa, la ho etsa…
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of Opposition, hanyane feela moholo oa ka, nke ke lokise litaba tsa letsoalo la ka.
Ke batla ho etsa khopotso ea litaba tseo ke li buileng qalong qalong e se re ra iphumana re bua litaba tseo re lumellaneng hore li ka makhotleng, ‘me re lokela hore re hlomphele makhotla nako le sebaka a qete. Mosebetsi ke oa rona re tla tla re o sebetsa, feela re ne re ile ra lumellanang. Tsoela pele, Honourable Member, feela u tle u qobe taba eo. U ntse u hopola hore qetellong, the last paragraph ke ile ka re re keke ra bua ka lintlha tseno tse peli ka mona ka Ntlong. Tsoela pele, Mohlomphehi.
HON. M. E. MOKHOTHU: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano, ke hopotse hantle ka mokhoa o hlakileng ebile ha ke bue ka tseno tse ka makhotleng, ke etsa a refer to Standing Order No. 110 le taba ea matla ao uena Honourable Speaker u a apesitsoeng ke Standing Order 110 seno ka hore etsa frame a temporary Standing Order. Taba e aka mo e leng hona teng e on the calendar, hore Standing Order se ileng sa etsoa frame se bitsa Ntlo ena for a Special Meeting, lebaka le neng le fanoa la sehloho e ne e le hore re bitsoa ka Special Meeting hobane calendar ea Ntlo ena e Khabane e re Litho tse Khabane e tlameha hore e be li phomotse. Ntlha ea ka ea tsamaiso ke hore ha re fihla, only kamor’a hore re etse precedence ea hore re etse fortify the calendar of the House e le the resolution of the House hore re ke keng ra etsa act the other way round ho eona hobane e entsoe ke Ntlo ena, empa the only few weeks down the line. Nako ea fihla ea hore Ntlo e ea buloa Hon. Speaker ha hona temporary Standing Order formed by your office in regard to taba ea hore ha re ka ba ra bula ka September calendar e re bule feela joale re ile ra seta (set) a precedence e matla hampe eaba ea ea likela koana Makhotleng. Joale taba ke hore na calendar ea Ntlo ee e hlomphuoa ha ho le joang ha e hlomphuoe ha ho le joang? Ke hona moo ntlha eaka ea tsamaiso eleng hona teng. Re tlameha re ke re fumane tlhaloso e matla ho tsoa setulong sa hao on a basis of the calendar ho e hlompha le ho e se hlomphe. Kea leboha.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of Opposition ntho eo hothoeng likaletsa e bohlokoa haholo ha mosali oa Mosotho a apeha. Likaletsa tsa hao kehore lebaka leo ho ileng ha bitsoa Special Meeting of Parliament ke hobane Ntlo e ne e koetse sine die ha ho joalo. Kaletsa eo ke eona joale eo ha re se re tsamaea ka eona e tla re khelosa. Ho bitsitsoe Special Meeting of Parliament ho latela tsamaiso ea Paramente. Ke bile ke re mohlala oo oa Special Meeting of Parliament ka hlompho e kholo ke kopa hore re o qobe hona joale. Lintho tsena ha li balehe re tle re bue hantle re lokolohile ho ke ke ha thoe re ne re ntse re qapolla taba eo ’nete eleng ka Makhotleng. Ka lebaka lena ke re le haeba o na le khoao e kholo Honourable Leader of Opposition kopo thapeli eaka ke hore o ke o e tšoare hanyane re fete Makhotleng re tle re bue re lokolohile re sa qobe mantsoe. Next item, Mr. Clerk
TABLING OF SURBORDINATE LAWS:
(i) Tobacco and Alcohol Products Levy (Amendment of Schedule) Regulations, 2023: Tabled by Hon. Prof. N. Rapapa (Minister of Education and Training).
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Point of Order, Hon. Mofomobe.
HON. M. G. MOFOMOBE: Mohlomphehi Speaker, ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke hore pele re tla ka Ntlong ka mona ke ne ke ile ka pota ofising ea hao ka fihla ka posa lengolo. Ke ne ke re mohlomong e se ke eaba lengolo leo le liehile ho fihla ka hona oa sitoa ho le kenya lethathamong la litsebiso tsa hao, mohlomong etlaba litaba tsa ka Mantaha. Ke ne ke re feela ke fumane tlhakisetso Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano.
Ke be ke lebohe hore kajeno lena o re lokollotse re se re ka tla ka Paramenteng re sa fasa lithae [Liatla]. Ache re e amohetse. Re li amohetse etsoe ho ea chesa thae tsena li ea re bolaea re se re tla etsisa Mohlomphehi Letona le Khabane from the first time since independence o setile record ea hore tie is no more in this House [Liatla] I thank you.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, kea e utloa taba ea lengolo ’me ke utloa o e hlakisetse hantle haholo. Ha ke na khoao e nyane litabeng tseo u li buileng ka lengolo la hau.
Athe tabeng ena ea moaparo ke bone eka o etsa a ruling teng. Ke bone eka you are making a ruling ea hore ho se ho chesa joale re se re ka ikaparela kamokhoa oo re ratang. That is your ruling, it is not my ruling. ’Na ha ho ne ho ka uoa ka ’na ekabe eba Lintho tse Khabane tsa Paramente li sebetse ho ea kamoo tsona li qetileng kateng. E lutse e le joalo ha hona moo ho kileng ha thoe Litho tse Khabane li tlohelle ho fasa lithae. Ha hona moo ho ileng ha cho joalo. Ke hlakile hantle haholo tabeng ena. Ke hlakile hape Litho tse Khabane hore ile ha eba le khang e kholo ka taba ena ea moaparo ’me taba eo ea qetella ehlile e isoa komiting e ikarabellang hobane ke utloa hore ntho ena e tla re hlokola e re senyetse nako hobane e mong a ka sheba e mong a tšoaea-tšoaea ntho e nyane ho eane eaba re qetelle re se re sa etse mosebetsi oa Paramente ho ntse ho ipueloa feela ka moaparo ka mona.
Eleng hore ka tsela e joalo, ’na ke ne ke re re tle re tsepele taba eo Komiti eo e ikarabellang hore e etse mosebetsi oa eona feela re ’ne re hopole hore re Litho tse Khabane tsa Paramente, batho ba re romileng ba tseba joalo. Re lokela hore moaparo oa rona o tsamaellane. Hon. Minister.
Ke bolelloa hore Hon. Minister, you had already completed your work. Hon. Minister Next subordinate law.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso Hon. Mapesela.
HON. T. F. MAPESELA: Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano. Ke ne ke re lengolo leo Mohlomphehi Mofomobe a o fileng lona, la ho hloka tsepo ho TonaKholo le ho ’Muso oa hae. Ha le se le kene ofising ea hao mono re ne re tlameha hore business ena kaofela e eme re shebane le lengolo leno hobane joale Matona ana a ntseng a teka li bill hona joale re se re sena tsepo ho ona le ’Muso oa bona le ho Tona-Kholo ea bona kannete it is unfair to this Honourable House, hore ofisi ea hao e se e ntse e fumane lengolo la ho hloka tsepo ho Tona-Kholo le ho ’Muso oa hae ebe re ntse re tsoelapele ho etsa discuss business ea ’Muso oa hae. O tlameha o ke o re fe monyetla Mohlomphehi e ke e fete ba tle ba tsebe ho etsa mosebetsi.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Che bo! Ha re e nepe hantle Setho se Khabane. Mohlomphehi Mofomobe ha a ngolla lengolo. O mphile motion joale motion o na le tsamaiso e hlakileng ea hore na o tsamaea joang ’me motion oo o tseleng eona eno, hobane ke motion. And there are clear guidance principles hore na motion o tsamaea tsela efe ha hona phoso ea letho, Hon. Minister.
HON. S. N. MOCHOBOROANE (Minister of Health): Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon. Speaker!
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ho leratanyana, Hon. Minister, ke ne ke u bitsitse hore u bue taba ea Subordinate Law No. ii, go ahead Hon. Minister.
(ii) Financial Institutions (Computation of Capital Charge for Credit, Operational and market Risk) Regulations, 2023; Tabled by Hon. Prof
N. Rapapa (Minister of Education and Training)
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Setho se Khabane Dr. Lipholo.
HON. DR. T. LIPHOLO (PR): Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipusaino. Kea kholoa taba eaka e mpa e le taba eo eleng hore e ne e ntse e lokela hore e ile ea lateloa ke mangolo ana. Ke etse hloko Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano hore ho na le lengolo le ileng la ngoloa ke li-party tse ka ntle ho Paramente ba le ngolla Paramente ena e le ho tšehetsa ba akhela lentsoe la bona ho tšehetsa taba ea bona ea ho khutla ha naha. Taba eaka moo eleng teng. E ne e le hore lengolo le tla le baloe hobane le qalile le ngolletsoe Litho tse Khabane mmoho le Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano ka Ntlong ea Bakhethoa, empa hara mangolo a baliloeng, lengolo leo eleng la Sechaba kapa leo eleng lentsoe la Sechaba kantle ho Paramente ha ke utloe le buoa. Ka ho khetholoha ho bile hoa etsoa quote mono Motion Number 8 leha ele hore ho ile ha etsoa amend kea kholoa e ne e le ho tšehetsa ntlha ea bona hore na e le hobane ba lutse ho cargo train joale ba sa bone bohlokoa ba hore ba bone hore Basotho ba tsietsing ka lefatše la bona. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi [Liatla].
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, taba e kholo-kholo litabeng tsa hao ke hore ho na le lengolo leo ke le ngoletsoeng. U se u sa hlaka hore na ho ngoletsoe ‘na? Aku e hlakise? Ehlile ho ngoletsoe Speaker of the national Assembly?
HON. DR. T. LIPHOLO: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano. Lengolo lena ka ho khetholoha le hlile le ngoletsoe Speaker le Ntlo ena ka kotloloho. Haeba ho ngoletsoe Speaker, ehlile ho ngoletsoe Ntlo ena.[Liatla]
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Ache ke hantle haholo, Setho se Khabane ha u hlakile hore lengolo leo le ngoletsoe ‘na. hoa bonahala hore setitimi se romiloeng ha sea finyeletsa lengolo. Hoban eke botsitse ehlile ke batlile, hang ha u bua ka taba eo,ke batlile hore nah o thoe lengolo le kae, ho etsahalang, ha leeo. Lengolo le buang ka taba eo le leholo haholo ha se ntho e ka tsoang lipakeng tsa menoana. Eleng hore setitimi ha se hlajoe ka liporo se titime se fihlitse lengolo la batho le ean gho Motsamaisi oa Lipuisano. Hon. Minister!
(iii) Central Bank (Collective Investment Schemes (Amendment)
Regulations, 2023; Tabled by Hon. Minister of Education and Training)
Subordinate Laws tabled; to lie upon the Table; and shall stand referred to the relevant Portfolio Committees.
Next item, Mr. Clerk!
PRESENTATION OF BILLS
Centre for Accounting Studies Bill, 2023; Presented by Hon. Prof. N.
Rapapa (Minister of Education and Training)
[First Reading]
A Bill For
A Bill for an act to make provide for establishment of the Centre for Accounting Studies as a Higher Education Public Institution providing professional training accounting, business and …at core level for Government Structures and functions of the Centre for Accounting Studies and for related matters.
A Bill read the First Time; to lie upon the Table and shall stand referred to the relevant Portfolio Committee.
RT. HON. SPEAKER: Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon. Mofomobe.
HON. M. G. MOFOMOBE: Mohlomphehi, ke ne ke re pele mona ha u ntse u bua u ne u ile ua bua ka Litho tse Khabane tsa Ntlo ena tse seng li orohile lefatše lena le ka koano. U ntse u ba bitsa Litho tse Khabane. Kannete tseo ke nkang e se e le hob a bitsa feela ‘nete feela e se e le motho feela makhetha. Lebaka la ka ke hore ba keneng ka hare ho Ntlo ena e le Litho ba bang ba fetoha matona ba bang esala e le …masoleng koana ho thoe ke banna kapa mosali feela. Joale ha ba se ba orohile ka li-category tsena tsa bona tse peli. Bao ebileng matona ka lehlohonolo ba patoa ke ‘Muso ha ba shoele, ba hlokomeloa ka sohle.
Bana bao ebileng banna kapa basali feela ha a tsoa mona, bo Paramente bo felile, e chaile ka bona. Ba sala ka title ea Mohlomphehi, le passport e khubelu ea hlothoa ho latela molao. Ke ne ke re re inahanele taba ena hore na ha u mpona ke le ka borokhong ke bona setho sa ntlo sa mehleng se kokobane se tšoere line the only privilege ea hore a hlompshoeke sechaba hore ebe Leparamente h a asa na eona. Ke re mohlomong ho ena batho ba kanna balumela ba hana litaemane feela. Le eona re ke re e nahane hore na Letona le Khabane la tsa Lehae na le ke se e tlise kapa re le thuse re tlise amendment Maparamente leha a se a ile hae a nne a be le passport eo e khubelu. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Setho se Khabane, empa ha u ne u ema u ne u ile ua re ho lobiloe tsamaiso. Athe joale u tla ka litaba tsa bohlokoa empa joale u ema u re ho lobiloe tsamaiso. Ka lebaka lena ha ho ntlha ea tsamaiso moo. U ne u se u qetile ho bala Mr. Clerk?
Ntlha ea tsamaiso, Hon. Minister of Health.
HON. S. N. MOCHOBOROANE: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi Motsamaisi oa
Lipuisano. Ke itse kea iphapanya ka utloa hore letsoalo laka lea nkhanela.
Kannete ntlha ea tsamaiso eo ke emang ka eona ke ena ea moaparo. Paramente e tsamaisoa ka li-Standing Orders, ebile e tsamaisoa le ka litloaelo. Ho na le tse ngata tse sa ngoloang tseo e leng karolo ea tsamaiso ea Ntlo ena. Ke utloa hantle moo u reng Komiti e tla lokela ho lula e ke e shebe hore na taba ena ea moparo e sebetsoa joang. Ke ne ke re na le moetlo oa nako e telele oa Ntlo ena hoa tsebahala hore Setho se Khabaneha se tla Parametneng mona haele Setho sa Ntate, se fasa tie, jacket, se tena motšetše.
Letsoalo laka ke hore re tlaba boemong boo batho bat la tla ba tenne litsoape, ba tenne maqhapha, ho ikapareloa ka tsela eo motho a lakatsang kateng. Ke ne ke re pele ruling ea hau…eseng ea letsatsi la kajeno, e mpe e re fe monyetla oa hore mokhoa oo re neng re ntse re apara ka ona, re ‘ne re apare ka ona ho fihlela Komtii e lutse. Ha re ka arohana…ke shebile Moetapele oa Basotho National Party, ke motho ea tšoaneloang haholo, empa kajeno lena ke itse kea mo sheba ke hloloa ho mamella moo ke leng teng, [litšeho]. Kannete kopo e aka e khethehileng ke hore pele Komiti e re shebela taba ea moaparo, re ‘ne re apare ho latela tradition eane ea rona. Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Minister, kannete kea e utloa tab aen aea moaparo, it can be very divisive. Paramenteng ea leshome, I am told, ho na le nako eo, I said I am told, ke ne ke le sieo. Hoi le ha ba le nako eo Setho se kileng sa tla se apere joalo ka Letona la Natural Resources…
HON. MEMBER: Haa ke a eme re mo bone.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Joale eaba taba eo e etsa ntho e kang ena ea kajeno hantle ea etsa khang e telele. The …gest thing Ho na le Setho se Khabane se etsang heckle Speaker all the time. Ha Speaker se bua ebe o ntsa araba. Ha ho etsoe joalo.
Joale ke re eaba ka nako e oho etsoa qeto ea hore kannete lintho tse ling li ka buisanoa tsa hlahlojoa, empa hona ho tie ho essential. [Applause]
Kea phetha, ha taba ena e etsa tjena, ke batlile joale, ke fumana hore Paramenteng ea leshome hoi le ha etsahala ntho e tjena, hoa etsoa qeto ea hore haele tie eona is essential [Applause]. Ho na lebitso leo ke le utloang mona…
HON. MEMBER: Hona ke matsetlela [Litšeho].
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Lebitso lena, ha le ntse le hoelehetsoa feela ha hon a bothata empa ha le se le bitsoa hangata le seke la re bakela mathata. Joale ke re Hon. Minister, ka tlhompho e kholo molemong oa Paramente ke kopa u fase tie. [liatla, melilietsane le lerata]
Ntlha ea tsamiso, Hon. Member for Makhaleng.
HON. M. S. LEHATA: Kea leboha, Mohlomphehi. Ho na le lintlha tse tharo tseo ke neng ke biele monoana oaka ho tsona hore ke tla bona li etsahala.
- Bana ba sekolo sa sekolo se Seholo sa Naha (NUL). Ba ile le mathata ka litltlebo tsa bona ebile sekolo se koetsoe. Re ne re lebeletse hore Letona le ikrabellang le tla etsa polelo e tlalehelang Ntlo hore na mathata a bana e ne e le afeng, sello sa bona ke sefeng, tharollo ke efeng le hore na qeto ea hore sekolo se koaloe, se koetsoe hobaneng. Empa ke bona hore se na polelo tabeng eo. Taba eo e bontša ‘Muso o sa ikarabelleng Paramenteng.
- Re koaletse mariha re bolelloa hore litorong ho tlaba le manyolo le lipeo… HON. MEMEBRS: Ehlile a teng.
HON. MS. LEHATA: Ho fihlela hona joale lihoai li ntse li ea li khutla re ne re lebeletse hore Letona le tla re bolella boemo ba hore na ho latela leano la ‘Muso le chelete e ngata eo Paramente e abilengchelete e ngata haholo litabeng tsa temo, na li peo le manyolo li kae na, joale ha ke utloe polelo ea letho mabapi le taba eo. Taba ea ho qetela ke hore ho bile le meea e sa tloaelehang, eo Basotho ba bangata metseng ba fefohetsoeng ke matlo. Ba bang ba lehlehetsoe ke bophelo ka lebaka la lifefo tseo tse fefotseng matlo. E leng hore taba eo e fetohile koluoa. Re ne re lebeletse hore Letona le ikarabellang litabeng tsa likoluoa le tla re bolella hore le fumane litlaleho tsa hore na ke matlo a makae a fefohileng, ‘me le tlo nka bohato bo feng. Le hore le se le hahile team ho latela molao, eo e ilo hlahloba boemo boo, e be sechaba seo sa Basohto se robalang kantle hobane se fefohetsoe ke matlo sea thusoa. Ho ntse ho sena polelo ho fihlela letsatsing lena.
Ke makaletse hore e be Matona a ikarabellang ha a tlalehele Paramente ka litaba tse amang sechaba seo se ba tšepetseng hore se ba etelle pele. Ntlo ena le eona e tlohe mona e re; re butse re kopane le Matona ‘me re fumane litaba. Re arabelle Basotho ba sa tsebeng hore na ho tlo etsahalang ka litaba tsa temo, tsa koluoa ea lifefo, le tsa bana ba bona ba lutseng hae ba sa ee sekolong. Kea leboha.
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member, ke lumela hantle hore Bahlomphehi Matona a Khabane a u mametse, ‘me moo e bang ho latela hlahlollo ea mesebetsi ea ona ka mokhoa oo e sebetsang kateng, a ka bona a lokela ho nka boeletsi, a tla etsa joalo.
Hon. Members, we have come to the end of today’s Business. Rt. Hon. Prime Minister, Hon. Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the House, Hon. Ministers, Hon. Leader of Opposition, Hon. Leaders of political parties represented in this House, Hon. Members, Clerk and Parliamentary Staff, the Media and Civil Society Organizations here present, I wish you a pleasant weekend.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Same to you!
RT. HON. MR. SPEAKER: The House is adjourned until Monday morning at 2:30
p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further Business upon the Order Paper, The Rt. Hon. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 16(2).
The House accordingly adjourned at 10:35 a.m.